Finally my note on Burbank has been read by someone! Nunc dimittis....  -- Jim

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        From: Ken Armstrong [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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          Jim and Cassandra,

          Jim's note on Eliot's debt to the romantics might be reversed to the
        Romantics' debt to TSE. It is not really surprising that he would allude to
        Swinburne in The Love Song just as he gives Browning a "proper twist" in
        Burbank with "this or such".

        Ken A.

        At 10:17 AM 9/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
        >dear Jim,
        >   Funny you should bring up the echo of "Let us go then" Indeed, I see a
        > really powerful echo in swinburne's "A Leave Taking" (the poem of
        > unrequited love of the 19th century) --"Let us go thence (our songs she
        > will not hear)"--this is a refrain that repeats throughout the poem as
        > does Eliot's refrain and the male narrator's drowning at the end of both poems.
        >Cassandra
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        >From: "Loucks, James" <[log in to unmask]>
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        >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:40:59 -0400
        >Subject: Re: query: Eliot and the sea
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        >Cassandra: Your line of inquiry is fascinating, especially in light of
        >TSE's expressed disdain for Swinburne (and Shelley and Browning). I think
        >TSE's debt to the Romantics and Victorians is deeper than he was ever
        >willing to acknowledge. Interesting too that Pound's review of Prufrock
        >volume cites Browning as an influence (or precursor?). It wasn't until
        >1936 that TSE allowed as how Tennyson had his merits.
        >
        >Has anyone noticed that "The Love Song of J. Alfred" begins with
        >Browningseque abruptness that recalls RB's "Andrea del Sarto": "But do not
        >let us quarrel any more..."; cf. : "Let us go then, you and I...."  -- Jim
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        >         From: Cassandra Laity [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
        >         Sent: Mon 15-Sep-03 6:53 PM
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        >         Subject: query: Eliot and the sea
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        >         Can anyone direct me to some good articles on the meaning of the
        > sea in Eliot? I am researching for an article on swinburne and Eliot that
        > focuses on complexes of wind/sea often with images of snow, frost,
        > flowers--all classic swinburnian images.
        >         Cassandra
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        >         Professor Cassandra Laity
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        >         English Department
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        >Professor Cassandra Laity
        >Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_
        >English Department
        >Drew University
        >Madison, NJ 07940
        >Phone: 973-408-3141
        >Fax: 973-408-3040