According to an article in today's NYTimes, it was not French rhetoric at
all but bad translation. What would be neutral in French, as in something
like "quiet" became "shut up." My French is not up to an opinion, but this
is another example of how the press defines what Americans think.
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Subject: Re: Do I dare--Podsnap returns
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I wish I had a transcript of the thrashing that
Chirac alias DeGaulle gave to the new entrants
to the EU for their siding with the US in that
letter of 8 European PMs. He talked about their
bad breeding, their bad tables manners &c. Then
he said, this would have been an excellent opport-
unity to shut up. I bust a gut. How quintessentially
French was that rhetoric.
Dr. Peter C. Montgomery
Dept. of English
3100 Foul Bay Rd.
Victoria, BC CANADA V8P 5J2
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From: Nancy Gish [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:19 AM
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Subject: Do I dare--Podsnap returns
Kate, I had read this also, and it makes me embarrassed to be an
American. Are you suggesting by sending it that this sort of crude
podsnappery is ok or reasonable?
As the statistics I sent show, 59% of Americans share France's desire to
let the UN have more time and 62% share France's desire that the allies be
in agreement. Shall we boycott, dump, and mock more than half of us?
It's all very amusing to select a target and sneer, but it is not adult or
intelligent or useful. Nancy
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PHILADELPHIA (Feb. 20) - Mon dieu, how some Americans are bashing
French these days!
Americans galled by France's reluctance to endorse an invasion of Iraq are
boycotting French wine and french fries and trading jokes and insults
about all things Gallic.
A Las Vegas radio station Tuesday used an armored vehicle to crush
photographs of French President Jacques Chirac, photocopies of the
flag, a Paris travel guide, bottles of wine and a loaf of French bread.
In Beaufort, N.C., one restaurant owner took french fries off his menu and
replaced them with ''freedom fries.''
In West Palm Beach, Fla., bar owner Ken Wagner dumped his entire
French wine and champagne into the street, vowing to serve vintages only
from nations that support U.S. policy.
And Palm Beach County Commissioner Burt Aaronson said he would try to
block a subsidiary of the French conglomerate Vivendi from getting a $25
million government contract to build a sludge treatment plant.
''France's attitude toward the United States is deplorable. I don't want
to have any French companies earning dollars from American interests,''
the 75-year-old Aaronson said. ''We've left thousands of our men and women
over in France, underground. It's quite possible that if we didn't send
our troops there, the French people would all be speaking German.''
France is far from alone in pushing for a delay in military action.
Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Greece, Ireland and
have all said they would prefer to give U.N. weapons inspections more
But it is the French who have borne the brunt of U.S. scorn and become the
butt of jokes about their beret-wearing, wine-drinking, cheese-eating,
Jerry Lewis-loving, literature-deconstructing, surrendering-to-the-Germans
''France wants more evidence,'' David Letterman wisecracked. ''The last
time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a
Comedian Dennis Miller quipped: ''The only way the French are going in is
if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.''
Rep. Roy Blunt, Mo.-R., warmed up a crowd of GOP leaders in Missouri last
week by saying, ''Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris?
It's not known, it's never been tried.''
And this: ''Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was
being advertised on eBay the other day - the description was, 'Never shot.
And this, too: ''Going to war without the French is like going deer
hunting without your accordion.''
The New York Post branded France and Germany ''the axis of weasel,'' then
ran a doctored page-one photo that put giant weasel heads on the shoulders
of the French and German ambassadors to the United Nations.
Natalie Loiseau, spokeswoman for the French Embassy in Washington, said
the barbs go beyond the dispute over Iraq.
''There is kind of a tradition of French-bashing here,'' she said
Wednesday. ''There is a kind of rivalry. It has lasted for years, and for
Mark Twain joked in an 1879 journal, ''There is nothing lower than the
human race except the French.''