On the other hand, I suppose we could recall the
various war passages from Eliot, and consider whether
they give us any insight into what's going on, given
Eliot' semi-visionary, apocalyptic view of things.
Our only hope or else despair,
Is to be redeemed from fire by fire.
(I didn't look that up Gunnar, so
you're welcome to correct it.)
Dr. Peter C. Montgomery
Dept. of English
3100 Foul Bay Rd.
Victoria, BC CANADA V8P 5J2
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From: INGELBIEN RAPHAEL [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:23 AM
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Subject: OT Re: noting events
From: Gunnar Jauch
> > This is not a call to keep on fiddling while Rome burns.
> But it IS, dear Raphael.
It isn't. If this is the only forum where we can vent our opinions on the
Middle East, there's something wrong with our choices of forums in the first
When the Second World War was becoming inevitable, Eliot didn't turn the
Criterion into a propaganda organ. He discontinued it. I'm not suggesting
the listowners wind up TSE when the bombs start falling on Baghdad - I'm
simply arguing that those who don't want to keep on fiddling while Rome
burns (a laudable attitude) should direct their energies to more appropriate
forums. If they can't think of any, it's really too bad for them - or a sad
reflection on debate culture in general.
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Subject: Re: noting events
> am 4.2.2003 20:37 Uhr schrieb INGELBIEN RAPHAEL unter [log in to unmask]:
> > While it may be entirely appropriate for world events to be _noted_ on
> > list, I would like to issue a pre-emptive call for restraint in the face
> > a world event in the making. The last few years have shown that tensions
> > the Middle East had the potential to inflame passions on the list.
> > on that topic have invariably been more hurtful than informative.
> > war breaks out in the Gulf, I hope we will all remember that this forum
> > exists primarily to discuss the life and work of TS Eliot.
> A very much concerned