In addition to what Carrol says, feminism is a philosophical and theoretical
position, or complex of positions. Feminists do not all agree. But that is
not contradictory: Christians all share a core set of beliefs but clearly do
not all agree on all things. Feminism is not just a personal assertion of
one's self, as Carrol says. I think an excellent definition is in Gerda
Lerner's THE CREATION OF FEMINIST CONSCIOUSNESS. It would not
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Susan Grant wrote:
> Why is Margaret Thatcher not a
> feminist? What criteria defines a feminist to you?
There are many varieties of feminist (some of them being self-defeating,
others ineffective), but what any position that is called feminist must at
least _pretend_ to uphold is the interests of women as women -- and
Margaret Thatcher never once in her life gave a thought to that.
> Just curious,
> because I would think that irregardless of her politics,
Feminism is an _ISM_ -- that is, a politics, not a persoaal style.
> she was a
> strong, assertive woman who got what she wanted and didn't let men
> make her decisions for her. This is not to say that I like or agree with
You can say that for millions of women who were nevertheless committed to
a male-supremacist social order, as was Thatcher. It is absurd to equate
personal "assertiveness" etc. to a political position. Feminism is nothing
if it is not among other things a political position.
And how do you know she didn't let men make her decisions for her? All her
decisions were more or less anti-woman, and all conservative men thought
her decisions quite correct.
> Sue Grant