I add this only to clarify, and not to take sides. Biblical
Christianity, wherever it is found, is always accompanied by freedom of
religion. Unbiblical Christianity, and many other religions, are often
accompanied by religious oppression.
America was founded by many who were Christians, and who wanted to
begin a country marked by freedom of religion, among other things. Of
course, not all founders were Christians, but there was certainly a
much higher percentage than today's US politicians.
Civilization has long been associated with Christianity -- and I do
mean biblical Christianity. There has been much barbarism in the name
of Christ which had little to do with anything that Christ would have
been a part of. That's just a matter of record, not prejudice.
It doesn't matter whether you're a European or an American or anything
else. For most people, your citizenship just happens to be in the
country of your birth. What really matters is if you are pursuing the
truth, because that is one of the only things that will last beyond
this life and the universe.
PS -- I too wouldn't mind if we got back to talking about TS Eliot,
though I don't mind other matters -- if they are connected to a study
of TS Eliot.
> Kate's view of W is also Kate's.
> Date sent: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:21:17 EDT
> Send reply to: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum."
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> Subject: Re: Politics kills mailing lists
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> In a message dated 9/6/2002 3:55:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> > I mean, not even the Pope here gives a damn about Islam and Allah,
> > should you Americans? What makes you think you're more civilized
> > others? What makes you think you're better than others? What makes
> > think you can rule the whole world? Just for you have a stupid
> > that nobody voted, who sez "too many fires?? let's cut some more
> > then"!..?
> Maybe because the Terrorists, all fanatical followers of allah, didn't
> bomb the vatican; they bombed America. As for Americans being more
> civilized and better than others, I believe that our Constitution,
> of the land, is highly civilized. I never said we were better than
> everyone or indeed anyone.
> However, I do say that our American society is more civilized than
> would find in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. I mean, women here can
> actually walk in the street without wearing veils; they can work, go
> school, go to the mall; our children are educated. These basic
> alone make our society more civilized than much of the world,
> unfortunately. What makes us think we can rule the whole world?
> because we're doing it. George W. is hardly stupid and many people
> for him.