It is difficult to tell, from such an absurd statement, whether this is the
work of a troll or the person is serious. Let's try forced conversion
during a number of pogroms just for starters.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Gray" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:16 PM
Subject: OT: Re: Politics kills mailing lists


> Listers:
> I add this only to clarify, and not to take sides. Biblical
> Christianity, wherever it is found, is always accompanied by freedom of
> religion. Unbiblical Christianity, and many other religions, are often
> accompanied by religious oppression.
> America was founded by many who were Christians, and who wanted to
> begin a country marked by freedom of religion, among other things. Of
> course, not all founders were Christians, but there was certainly a
> much higher percentage than today's US politicians.
> Civilization has long been associated with Christianity -- and I do
> mean biblical Christianity. There has been much barbarism in the name
> of Christ which had little to do with anything that Christ would have
> been a part of. That's just a matter of record, not prejudice.
> It doesn't matter whether you're a European or an American or anything
> else. For most people, your citizenship just happens to be in the
> country of your birth. What really matters is if you are pursuing the
> truth, because that is one of the only things that will last beyond
> this life and the universe.
> Cheers,
> Will Gray
>
> PS -- I too wouldn't mind if we got back to talking about TS Eliot,
> though I don't mind other matters -- if they are connected to a study
> of TS Eliot.
>
> > Kate's view of W is also Kate's.
> >
> >
> > Date sent: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:21:17 EDT
> > Send reply to: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum."
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Politics kills mailing lists
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > In a message dated 9/6/2002 3:55:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> > > I mean, not even the Pope here gives a damn about Islam and Allah,
> why
> > > should you Americans? What makes you think you're more civilized
> than
> > > others? What makes you think you're better than others? What makes
> you
> > > think you can rule the whole world? Just for you have a stupid
> president
> > > that nobody voted, who sez "too many fires?? let's cut some more
> trees,
> > > then"!..?
> > >
> >
> > Maybe because the Terrorists, all fanatical followers of allah, didn't
> > bomb the vatican; they bombed America. As for Americans being more
> > civilized and better than others, I believe that our Constitution,
> the law
> > of the land, is highly civilized. I never said we were better than
> > everyone or indeed anyone.
> > However, I do say that our American society is more civilized than
> what
> > one
> > would find in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. I mean, women here can
> > actually walk in the street without wearing veils; they can work, go
> to
> > school, go to the mall; our children are educated. These basic
> elements
> > alone make our society more civilized than much of the world,
> > unfortunately. What makes us think we can rule the whole world?
> Maybe
> > because we're doing it. George W. is hardly stupid and many people
> voted
> > for him.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
>