I am finally getting around to actually reading posts. I absolutely agree with
you. The threat of war with Iraq is just plain stupid and Bush will do anything
he can to get us into a conflict of some sort. Personally, I think it's some
sort of macho crap--the only way he can be a "real" president is to shed blood.
What is even more frightening, at least to me, is the attitude of the 18 and 19
year old students. Actually, it's more of a case of the lack of attitude, at
least where I am. Same thing happened in the Gulf War. I sent two students and
one of my former students was the only one killed from the university where I
was teaching at the time. The students were delighted there was a war--it was
like a video game to them. I am of the generation that grew up with Vietnam on
TV every night. While I do not have specific memories of where I was when
certain things happened, I do remember an overriding sense of anxiety about the
times. I wondered, quite seriously, if I would ever be 13. Living in Houston
and doing duck and cover drills will do that to you. I have no idea how we go
about convincing this new generation that war is not a video game. Having the
courage to tell your story will help, but I fear it will not be enough.
I wish you all the best in your search for Peace--both personally and in terms
of our nation.
Robert Summers wrote:
> Dear Gunnar,
> Thanks so much for your informed and considered response to my post. I am
> only replying to your post because the other posts on this subject are
> neither informed or considered.
> One of the veterans I met during my treatment was in the Navy and on one of
> the ships involved in the so called "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. Their orders
> where to advance towards the shore to provoke an "incident". Because of my
> security clearance in Vietnam I knew that the US government was consistently
> lying to the American people. Vietnam changed everything. No longer do I
> believe in our government. Foreign policy and intelligence blunders led to
> 58,000 unnecessary deaths. The blunders were attempted to be covered up by
> The present situation is different from Vietnam but the lessons from Vietnam
> have not been learned. Opposed to the "President of the United States" war
> are not necessarily liberals and doves as in Vietnam. As you indicated four
> star generals are opposed and a retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff. Before Mr. Bush became president he made it clear that he wanted to
> destroy the Iraqi regime. He will create some provocation. His so called
> reasons for this war could be applied to at least a half dozen countries.
> Other veterans who feel like I do are in the process of organizing a million
> man/woman march on Washington to protest this war and the sharp funding cuts
> recommended by the President of the United States for benefits promised to
> veterans at the time of their service. Promises again not honored.
> "A man has to do what a man has to do"
> Bob Summers
> >From: Gunnar Jauch <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: O.T.: A Vet for Peace
> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:36:15 +0200
> >am 29.9.2002 1:31 Uhr schrieb Robert Summers unter [log in to unmask]:
> > > My story of course is not at all unique. The moron that we have as a
> > > president is carefully preparing the American people for war. Congress
> > > should require this asshole to read the 58.000 names on the Vietnam
> > > and visit all the veterans hospitals before he makes any decisions.
> > > war is not about anything other than oil.
> > >
> > > Most likely I will be thrown off this list for being too political and
> > > personal. If I broke the ground rules, I apologize.
> > >
> > > Bob Summers
> >Dear Bob,
> >the threat of war is imminent, and your reluctance to back it courageous
> >, considering that over 70 % of U.S. voters apparently seem to back Mr.
> >Bush's disastrous policy.
> >From our off-list exchanges I have learned about your predicaments, and I
> >can only hope that you carry out your project of a demonstration of
> >against war.
> >Be assured that you are not alone. There have been over 500'000 people
> >demonstrating in Hyde park this week end.
> >As today's New York Time notes, Iraq's refusal to accept the new U.S.
> > "...could also mark the beginning of the transition from diplomacy to war
> >in the Persian Gulf, as President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair were
> >already wheeling their military forces to higher states of readiness."
> >There have been cautions by retired U.S. four star generals to Congress,
> >Among them was Gen. John P. Hoar, who noted that Mr. Hussein appeared to be
> >preparing for a defense of Baghdad. General Hoar said he feared a
> >scenario" of six Iraqi Republican Guard divisions and six additional tank
> >divisions ringed by several thousand antiaircraft guns.
> >"The result would be high casualties on both sides, as well as in the
> >civilian community," he told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "U.S.
> >forces will certainly prevail, but at what cost? And at what cost as the
> >rest of the world watches while we win and have military rounds exploding
> >densely populated Iraqi neighborhoods?" he asked.
> >But let us go now, you and I, back to our ivory tower.
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