I take note of the reiteration.
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No. They were indeterminately diagnosed symptoms about what he may
or may not have been undergoing at that time. Which is why things are no
longer classified that way. I reiterate.
on 9/28/02 8:09 PM, Nancy Gish at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> You may be talking about what psychiatry says now. I was and am
> talking about what they said when Eliot both represented it and had a
> psychiatrist for therapy because of his "breakdown." If I recall, that
> is what started this discussion. In any case it did mean something
> quite specific to call him neurasthenic. There were clear symptoms that
> referred to, and he had them. Nancy
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> <[log in to unmask]> From: Francis Gavin
> <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Some Queries, was
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> I don't care what they meant then we're talking about what they mean
> now--which is essentially nothing since they were too general.
> Describing Eliot as "neurasthenic" means nothing, as it once may have
> meant what seemed like something but was really in fact nothing.
> on 9/28/02 12:37 PM, Nancy Gish at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> I'm sorry, but if you want a long list of medical articles from the
>> period that say quite differently, let me know. At the turn of the
>> century and up to and through the war, "hysteria" was a broad term that
>> did indeed include shell shock and what we would call post-traumatic
>> stress. I only said "neurasthenia" was hard to distinguish, and there
>> is a long text making that claim and giving charts of differences that
>> then got quoted by many doctors. On this you are factually wrong as to
>> what the terms meant then. As I spent many, many weeks reading on this
>> at the Bodlian last year, I am quite certain of my terminology. Cheers,
>> Date sent: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:13:58 -0700
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>> <[log in to unmask]> From: Francis Gavin
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>> Both neurasthenia and hysteria are considered quaint antiquated terms
>> in medical circles. Hysteria is sometimes used in a very limited way to
>> describe disassociation in personality formation, neurasthenia not at
>> all. Neither one has anything to do with battle fatigue or PTSD, which
>> are in turn, two different things.
>> on 9/28/02 10:26 AM, Nancy Gish at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>> "Shell Shock" is what they called hysteria and we
>>> would probably call post-traumatic stress disorder. In any case,
>>> there was a very extensive literature on it that actually goes back a
>>> couple of thousand years to ancient Egypt. Vittoz specifically wrote
>>> on "neurasthenia."