Arwin, you are using the word "modern" (with different meanings:
chronological, the other progressive) interchangeably. Of course the Koran
is centuries newer than the New Testament, but that doesn't mean it's more
progressive in it's attitudes towards women's equality. 'Christian'
fundamentalists have to purposely ignore people like Priscilla (in Acts) and
Deborah (in Judges) to justify any male dominance. The texts themselves
(bold Old & New Testaments) paint a much different picture.
From: Arwin van Arum [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:40 AM
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Subject: RE: OT: Dutch politician killed
Both, I presume. I won't speculate on that before I know more ... could be
anything. He was strict on admitting refugees, but in a very untypical way -
he wanted to legalize all illegal aliens, and only put a stop on admitting
more refugees because the capacity for handling them wasn't there (it's
true, it's a bit of a mess). But he also called the Islam a backward
religion, which is understandable because he was a homosexual, and he
thought their position on women was too oldfashioned for modern society.
Nothing I inherently disagree with, though at the same time the Koran is a
much more modern religion than the Christian religion, of which there are
equally fundamental practitionars in the Netherlands, so I don't know ...
I secretly hope there is a criminal connection, I always feel more
comfortable when criminals kill themselves rather than that someone is
killed for his political beliefs ...
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> What were his policies? Was the killing politcally motivated or
> the owrk of
> a madman?
> "Arwin van Arum" <[log in to unmask]>@po.missouri.edu on 05/06/2002
> 02:12:35 PM
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> Just wanted to let you know that the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn has been
> shot and killed at 18:00 GMT+1 today. He was the leader of a
> party carrying
> his own name (Lijst Pim Fortuyn), and through his debating skills and
> controversial positions on political subjects had upset the regular
> political landscape by doing very well in the polls and in the communal
> elections. Although he was controversial, he was an extremely
> civilised and
> mild politician compared to to the likes of the French Le Pen. I mostly
> disagreed with his positions but he made a lot more sense than most and
> loved him for at least making political debate more accessible and
> interesting, and a lot of people previously uninterested in
> politics became
> involved (though not necessarily voting for him) because of him.
> We all are
> in shok, this has never happened here before ...