I seem to remember someone identifying the weeping girl with
Emily, but I'm bad at dates and not at home with my texts.
Thanks for the correction. But my main point was that it could not
have referred to Vivienne.
I think you are very right about the identification of woman and
body: that was always a deep disturbance for him.
On 24 Jan 2002, at 15:22, Brian Trehearne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> If I remember correctly, Ricks dates "La Figlia" to November 1911, and I
> think TSE met Emily Hale only in 1912 (I believe this is in Valerie Eliot's
> chronology preceding the letters). And I believe Hayward tells of a statue
> Eliot *hoped* to see in Rome but couldn't find. I was very intrigued by
> Steve's (sorry I don't know last names) references to the Aeneid and to
> Dante and they've added a fine additional resonance to the poem. I'd like
> to just add that the image of abandonment here is really quite violent: "As
> the soul leaves the body torn and bruised, / As the mind deserts the body it
> has used..." One of the early signs of Eliot's severe discomfort with
> sexual desire. Though I'm also intrigued by his alignment of the woman with
> the body in this violation--very much overturning Victorian readings of
> Woman as "angel in the house," that is, as pure spirit devoid of bodily
> Brian Trehearne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nancy Gish - Women's Studies <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on "La Figlia che Piange"
> > I think that poem was written well before he married or even met
> > Vivienne. But he already was having relations in which he was
> > faithless, i.e. Emily Hale.
> > Nancy
> > On 24 Jan 2002, at 13:06, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > > Do you think Eliot felt this way about the fate of women in
> > > relationships because of his guilt over his poor relationship with his
> > > wife? Sue E.