I am rather puzzled about why this scholarship is seen as incompetent, but
the claims about how much Tom was a victim are always assumed to be
accurate, though in all I've read they are no more certain and based in no
different kind of "facts" than the opposite. It is, in both cases, research on
what friends and acquaintances said and wrote and who knew whom and
reported what (like all history). On exactly what objective knowledge is this
And it is also puzzling to me to see the opposing of poetry and sexuality
when the poems are full of the sexuality. Is, say, "The Love Song of San
Sebastion" even readable without focusing on sexuality?
Date sent: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:03:42 -0800
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From: "Ron Houssaye" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Painted Shadow Excerpts
Thank you for the level-headed comments. Sounds like in your view the
"Painted Shadow" excerpts add up to Swiss cheese in terms of
Certainly if Eliot was sexually obsessed, he would feel quite at home in
this era, in which so many of us are, I think. Then again, he might not
feel so at home. R.I.P., Tom. Your poetry is still more interesting than
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From: Rickard A. Parker <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Bad manners
> Gunnar Jauch wrote:
> > Dear Rick,
> > here's a funny Tom K offline remark (hope you don't mind my making it
> > public, old chap):
> No offense taken. It gives me a chance to set the record straight.
> > I appreciate Rick S's kudos. I wonder, though, if this juxtaposition
> > might drag us into an analysis by Rick P's great-grandson, in his
> > thesis on "Sexual Orientation of TS Eliot List Members at the Turn of
> > the Last Century." If he's content with evidence such as appears in
> > "Painted Shadow," he could create a tale that would shock our wives in
> > their dottering, aged-140+ retirements.
> Well, this shows why I had to object to Rick Seddon's comment even
> though he was joking. I do not believe that Eliot was homosexual and I
> haven't ever brought up any list member's sexual orientation (have I?).
> In fact, I can only remember two people who have. Neither was Steve
> either. Nor do I see any proof of TSE homosexuality as given in the
> "Painted Shadow" excerpts. If you meant Steve, who actually sent in
> that post, I'm sure he doesn't see it as proof either. The post fits
> the way that he sometimes shakes us out of silence. Unfortunately, I'm a
> bit pressed for time to discuss his post much further.
> > Remember what Woody Allen said about the merits of being bisexual: You
> > double your chances for a date on Saturday night.
> I remember the line well and have used it a few times myself.
> I forgot that Woody Allen said it though.
> Rick Parker
> P.S. Gunnar, regarding a personal e-mail, it was Gary Cooper, not
> Gregory Peck.