I, in fact, had Virgil (or is it Vergil) in mind. "Georgics" are my type
pastoral. I am limited in that my Loeb edition has a English prose
translation on the right side while the left might as well be Latin to me.
The Georgians were a NOT-Modernist group of revolutionary writers around
the early tweniteeth century teens. Ruport Brooke, Lascelles Abercombie,
Walter de la Mere, Sir John Squire etal. They like the Modernists were fed
up with the stilted style of the decadent Romanticists and decadent
Symbolists. Brooke was a friend of Virginia Woolf, a war poet and was
killed in WWI, Here are two differences between the Georgians and the
Modernists from among many other differences.
a) the modernists had Pound as a publican while the
Georgians had Edward Marsh. (Pound=young Bull Terrior with,
sharp whtie teeth, Marsh=elderly English Bull Dog with crooked
b) the Georgians wrote about country life (pastoral) in a simple
admiring language/style while the Modernists wrote of the urban
in anything but a simple style and not admiringly.
The term, Georgian, comes from the reign of George V, as the Edwardians
were named after King Edward.
The Georgians were not what the modernists were "revolting" from. They were
an alternative "school" to the Imagists and the Modernists As with the
Imagists it is easier to point to poets who wrote in the Georgian manner
rather than definning the "school" so as to include all of them in their
Thomas seemed to be calling TWL a Georgian work. I don't think many would
Retreated well into the shadows but peering out hopefully while reading
"Georgian Poetics" by Simon.
McIntosh, NM, USA
From: Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Romanticism and TSE
>Richard Seddon wrote:
>> I heard both you and Thomas referring to nostalgic idealics as romantic.
>> Nostalgia and romantic I thought were different. I had always thought of
>> nostalgia for a simpler, bucolic, country life amongst the pigs and
>> chickens as pastoral. I "heard" in yours and Thomas posts everything
>> "country" "pigs" and "chickens". Hence my questions. The questions were
>> not intended to be challenging. They were questions but I can say that I
>> not think TSE is pastoral and perhaps you do not either.
>I didn't hear any unwarranted challenge, Rick. I hope you don't hear me
>challenging in the wrong way when I ask again what poems you have in mind.
>Educate us, please, on the Georgians. I take it the name comes from George
>reign. But, "George" itself comes from "farmer" and--minds slipping as
>do--I am brought back to your description of pastoral. (Virgil's Georgics
>lessons in husbandry. How for instance to generate a swarm of bees inside
>carcass of a bludgeoned bullock. An experiment for a rancher like you.)
>ones I know are written by the city folk, not the farmers and shepherds and
>there is no desire to live a pastoral life. A criticism of urbanity is
>central. (That's why I want to know what poems you have in mind. We may
>be thinking of different ones. Literary terms!) Perhaps pastoral
>poem set in the country.