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Re: Reply to Pat's posts, question of murder

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From: Tom Gray@MITEL on 06/04/2001 09:39 AM

In reply to the issue of' "the idea that students, as you put it, 'have no
basis on which to judge',[is] repugnant:", part of my job is to deal with
engineering graduate students in the development of their thesises Much of the
work in this regard is to instruct the students in sound engineering and
academic judgement. It is far too easy for students to attempt to solve far too
ambitious problems or to make far too sweeping claims for the importance of
their work. These students since they are inexperienced do have no basis on
which to judge the difficulty and significance of their work.

Judgement in this sense is the real goal of their graduate work.

Tom Gray





"Jennifer Formichelli" <[log in to unmask]> on 06/04/2001 09:24:08 AM

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Subject: Reply to Pat's posts, question of murder



Dear Rick and listers,

    Although I have a haunting suspicion that I was engaged in the earlier
'murder' talks on the list, could you please post your url so that I could look
at the discussions? I am writing on Eliot and crime. Thank you for the Crippen
links; Sweeney Agonistes certainly has something to do with that musical hall
supper on the night of the murder. I think there is a case involving a tub of
Lysol in a bath, which a colleague at work seemed to know about, but as of yet I
haven't been able to find anything else out about it.

    In response to Pat, I don't see how you can claim definitive knowledge or
interpretation of this passage without knowing Greek. That's not to say I don't
think you can't approximately understand what is going on, but I think in a
Biblical reference the Greek and the many translations of the passage are
important. I only mention this because of your adamant insistence that you 'are
right' about it. Further, the idea that one only holds 'academics' to
intellectual standards is a kind of snobbishness; are they the only ones doing
the exacting or the only ones worthy of it? I beg you to remember someone
occasionally discussed on this list who was not an academic: Mr. T.S. Eliot.
    I find the idea that students, as you put it, 'have no basis on which to
judge', repugnant: you make this claim at the same time as assuming (that is,
judging without proper basis) that they will, you imply, therefore make the
wrong judgement. I don't see how anyone can make this claim in regard to any
group of people, or any individual adult (or child for that matter). They may
not be making a comparative judgement, but to say that someone has no basis for
judgement whatever is pretentious and foolish. And if you really believe it is
true, I doubt very much whether you would bother teaching.
    It is important to correct errors of fact when and where we find them.
However, once one corrects an error of fact, I think one should simply leave it
at that. The process should not be corrupted by afterthoughts.
    I apologize for the length of this post.

Yours, Jennifer

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