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Re: TSE's 'Marina' ...and some direct shocks of poetic 2

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"michelotto" <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:00:04 -0200

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Dear Steve,
           'What images return              =20
            O my daughter. "                                             =
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Tryng to feel like a daughter,=20
I  always answered the a and b questions with:

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2 -
Euripedes, Medea
If  we hear the text (see 2.3)  just when curtains are opened, ( It's =
the
Maid speakink about pine-woods, navigations, loci, regiones and mundi =
plagae
(see  2.1), I think we can have some good ideas too, about this place
(womanship),  where lives Death & Love - the our only 2 pulsions that =
links
Earth and Heaven, like  a non-stopped river's flow.(See  2.2)

(2.1)
In latin's languages, the word PLAGA means generally REGION, but with a
little help (=3Da rhetoric change) of sounds, means DESASTER, tragoedia,
DESEASE  too.
( See: PRAGA, in portuguese)

(2.2)
See too: a well difused mith (mithos=3Dstory) between south-american
indian-peoples about the VIA LACTEA, like that LOCUS,
"where all the waters meet"

(2.3)
Well, let us hear Euripedes, opening his Medea:

Trophos
 Eith' =F4phel' Argous m=EA diaptasthai skaphos
 Kolch=F4n es aian kuaneas Sumpl=EAgadas,
 m=EAd' en napaisi P=EAliou pesein pote
 tm=EAtheisa peuk=EA, m=EAd' eretm=F4sai cheras
 5 andr=F4n ariste=F4n hoi to panchruson deros
 Peliai met=EAlthon. ou gar an despoin' em=EA
 M=EAdeia purgous g=EAs epleus' I=F4lkias
 er=F4ti thumon ekplageis' Iasonos:
 oud' an ktanein peisasa Peliadas koras
 10 patera kat=F4ikei t=EAnde g=EAn Korinthian
 <phil=F4n te t=F4n prin amplakousa kai patras.>
 <kai prin men eiche kanthad' ou mempton bion>
 xun andri kai teknoisin, handanousa men
 phugas politais h=F4n aphiketo chthona
 15 aut=F4i te panta xumpherous' Iasoni:
 h=EAper megist=EA gignetai s=F4t=EAria,
 15 hotan gun=EA pros andra m=EA dichostat=EAi.
 nun d' echthra panta, kai nosei ta philtata.
 prodous gar hautou tekna despotin t' em=EAn
 gamois Ias=F4n basilikois eunazetai,
 g=EAmas Kreontos paid', hos aisumnai chthonos.
 20 M=EAdeia d' h=EA dust=EAnos =EAtimasmen=EA
 boai men horkous, anakalei de dexias
 pistin megist=EAn, kai theous marturetai
 hoias amoib=EAs ex Iasonos kurei.
 keitai d' asitos, s=F4m' hupheis' alg=EAdosin,
 25 ton panta sunt=EAkousa dakruois chronon
 epei pros andros =EAisthet' =EAdik=EAmen=EA,
 out' omm' epairous' out' apallassousa g=EAs
 pros=F4pon: h=F4s de petros =EA thalassios
 klud=F4n akouei nouthetoumen=EA phil=F4n,
 30 =EAn m=EA pote strepsasa palleukon der=EAn
 aut=EA pros haut=EAn pater' apoim=F4x=EAi philon
 kai gaian oikous th', hous prodous' aphiketo
 met' andros hos sphe nun atimasas echei.
 egn=F4ke d' h=EA talaina sumphoras hupo
 35 hoion patr=F4ias m=EA apoleipesthai chthonos.
 stugei de paidas oud' hor=F4s' euphrainetai.
 dedoika d' aut=EAn m=EA ti bouleus=EAi neon:
 bareia gar phr=EAn, oud' anexetai kak=F4s
 paschous' (eg=F4ida t=EAnde) deimain=F4 te nin
 40 m=EA th=EAkton =F4s=EAi phasganon di' h=EApatos
 [sig=EAi domous eisbas', hin' estr=F4tai lechos,]
 =EA kai turannous ton te g=EAmanta ktan=EAi
 kapeita meiz=F4 sumphoran lab=EAi tina.
 dein=EA gar: outoi rhaidi=F4s ge sumbal=F4n
 45 echthran tis aut=EAi kallinikos aisetai.
 all' hoide paides ek troch=F4n pepaumenoi
 steichousi, m=EAtros ouden ennooumenoi
 kak=F4n: nea gar phrontis ouk algein philei.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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kss
paulo michelotto

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