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RE: OFF TOPIC - Literary parlor game

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"Arwin van Arum" <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:32:59 +0100

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  I'm inclined to agree you've had too much behavioral psychology to read,
and
  it's never been too clear what you've read in philosophy.

I've had to read a lot of philosophy, but I don't like to talk about it much
as I've bad memories - there was a strongly Christian professor teaching the
survey course and you had to agree with him to pass. Of course, I refused.
Only the fifth time, the last subject I had to take to obtain my
"propadeuse" (don't know if there's an equivalent, it's a paper which says
you've passed the first year, a kind of diploma) we agreed that we disagreed
and I passed. It was not that he was Christian, it was that he believed
there to be one truth - his. The last subject that I can except such a
position is philosophy, as you can imagine. Anyway, we had to familiarize
ourselves with all the material - but even before I got to university I had
done an extensive report on all major philosophers for Dutch class. Not
surprisingly, I wasn't very popular before university. ;-)

That's why half
the books I suggested have to do with cosmology, topology, or particle
physics--you don't seem to have done much reading in math, logic, or the
hard
sciences.

That only seems so then. My knowledge on most of that comes from science
magazines and supplements, and didactic works. I guess I'm not quite
convinced that it helps to read classics in this regard - I haven't reached
the level where I doubt I would really be able to appreciate it; the added
value of reading a classic in this respect rather than a book which focusses
on didactics is not so big in science as it is in literature I believe. On
psychology the best book I've read so far for instance was Gleitman's
Psychology, which is a basic, continually kept up to date standard at most
psychology departments. I've also read books like "Natural Prozac" on the
brain's chemistry and thngs like that. I've a stack of math and logic books
back from when I was studying Artificial Intelligence. Hegel is in there
from several angles, but I haven't read the original, and a whole bunch of
other things ... Just didn't feel I need more on that for now. They lost me
when they were teaching me how to prove the proposition " 1=1 ", although
some of the logic turns out to be very useful now in my computer work and I
used some of it in a thesis on A.S. Byatt, but I lost the professor on the
way. Probably because I didn't write it well enough.

 FYI, Sartre's No Exit is a play, not "psychology."

Did I say something to indicate I thought otherwise? I meant to say that I
had to read it in French (class) in secondary school/high school and discuss
it in a group of four with the teacher when I was about 16. At least it made
a bit of an impression, as I still remember it and I remember very little
from French. The other two stories I remember from that class are La Peste
(or Le Pest?) and l'Etranger.

Anyway, I guess I wasn't the person who should have answered if you
basically
want suggestions for pop stuff like Buffy the Vampire Killer.

On the contray - I'm pretty much up-to-date where it comes to pop stuff. I'm
a working man and when I'm alone I have my tv-dinners, so I watch the
Simpsons, Buffy, Star Trek, Ally McBeal, things like that. I've seen all of
Jackie Chan's work, most of Jet Lee's work, I love Jody Foster movies and
Anthony Hopkins films, Al Pacino, Brad Pitt even. Have a stack of original
video's and just initiated what could become a large DVD colelction. No, I
was definitely looking for books. Just not science books. If I read another
science book, it will be some introductory book that's required reading for
first-years of the subject in university, as those books usually provide the
broadest range of information with the highest quality (mind, I said
"usually"). I saw a great book on the chemistry of the brain, which really
interests me, in the university bookstore in Glasgow, but it was two kilos
and cost $100 so I left it there. In Dublin I read part of the book on the
history of the map-colouring problem and how it was solved, which was really
interesting to read - it was one of the first proofs in which computers
played a great part and hence it was and still is very controversial. I
don't think you can read to much behaviourial psychology; if you want to
learn something about how Freud and Jung infuenced literature, they are
interesting, but if you want to learn something about the subject of
psychology (people) then I'll always prefer neurology and behavioral
psychology of anything by Freud or Jung.

Anyway, I did mention that the other books interested me and that I would
keep the list, and I'll stick with that comment and another thanks.

Arwin


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basic,=20
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I've also=20
read books like "Natural Prozac" on the brain's chemistry and thngs like =
that.=20
I've a stack of math and logic books back from when I was studying =
Artificial=20
Intelligence. Hegel is in there from several angles, but I haven't read =
the=20
original, and a whole bunch of other things ... Just didn't feel I need =
more on=20
that for now. They lost me when they were teaching me how to prove the=20
proposition " 1=3D1 ", although some of the logic turns out to be very =
useful now=20
in my computer work and I used some of it in a thesis on A.S. Byatt, but =
I lost=20
the professor on the way. Probably because I didn't write it well =
enough.=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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otherwise? I=20
meant to say that I had to read it in French (class) in secondary =
school/high=20
school and discuss it in a group of four with the teacher when I was =
about 16.=20
At least it made a bit of an impression, as I still remember it and I =
remember=20
very little from French. The other two stories I remember from that =
class are La=20
Peste (or Le Pest?) and l'Etranger.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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wasn't the=20
person who should have answered if you basically <BR>want suggestions =
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class=3D106465823-11032001>On the=20
contray - I'm pretty much up-to-date where it comes to pop stuff. I'm a =
working=20
man and when I'm alone I have my tv-dinners, so I watch the Simpsons, =
Buffy,=20
Star Trek, Ally McBeal, things like that. I've seen all of Jackie Chan's =
work,=20
most of Jet Lee's work, I love Jody Foster movies and Anthony Hopkins =
films, Al=20
Pacino, Brad Pitt even. Have a stack of original video's and just =
initiated what=20
could become a large DVD colelction. No, I was definitely looking for =
books.=20
Just not science books. If I read another science book, it will be some=20
introductory book that's required reading for first-years of the subject =
in=20
university, as those books usually provide the broadest range of =
information=20
with the highest quality (mind, I said "usually"). I saw a great book on =
the=20
chemistry of the brain, which really interests me, in the university =
bookstore=20
in Glasgow, but it was two kilos and cost $100 so I left it there. In =
Dublin I=20
read part of the book on the history of the map-colouring problem and =
how it was=20
solved, which was really interesting to read - it was one of the first =
proofs in=20
which computers played a great part and hence it was and still is very=20
controversial. I don't think you can read to much behaviourial =
psychology; if=20
you want to learn something about how Freud and Jung infuenced =
literature, they=20
are interesting, but if you want to learn something about the subject of =

psychology (people) then I'll always prefer neurology and behavioral =
psychology=20
of anything by Freud or Jung.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D106465823-11032001>Anyway, I did mention that the other books =
interested=20
me and that I would keep the list, and I'll stick with that comment and =
another=20
thanks.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
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face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D106465823-11032001><FONT color=3D#000000=20
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