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Well, I can agree with what you are saying here, although I think =
"thoughtless remarks" are properly considered in an analysis like the =
one Julius was undertaking. Also, I don't believe Eliot's comment was =
thoughtless, but rather reflected a good deal of deliberation.=20
I was responding not to your story, but to your perception that I was =
endorsing the passages Julius was commenting on.
BTW, in the interests of fair disclosure and for general purposes going =
forward, I should let the list know: I'm changing over email account =
from [log in to unmask] to [log in to unmask] I realize that I =
inadvertently defended my comments under the old handle through my new =
account, perhaps creating the impression that I had third-party support. =
I'll be posting from both accounts until I cancel the AOL account.
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From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot, Wagner and Julius
In a message dated 9/2/01 3:44:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, =
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writes:=20
Madam:=20
You have an admirable moral instinct, but an undisciplined mind. =
It is=20
Julius who is quoting these things, as evidence of Eliot's =
anti-Semitism. =20
The question is whether or not the passages he cites, read =
together in the=20
context of his arguments, support his thesis. If this sort of =
discussion=20
offends you, you either do not understand it, or are irrational. =
Sir:=20
Methinks you are the irrational one. I simply told a story that came =
to mind=20
relating to the idea that a person of a minority group cannot write as =
a=20
general citizen of his society. As to whether Eliot was anti-Semitic, =
I=20
don't think his statement about Rosenberg, whether taken to be a =
derogatory=20
or complimentary, will answer this question, as often a person without =
any=20
real prejudice in his being may make a thoughtless remark or tell a =
tasteless=20
joke about a certain ethnic group.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, I can agree with what you are =
saying here,=20
although I think "thoughtless remarks" are properly considered in an =
analysis=20
like the one Julius was undertaking. Also, I don't believe Eliot's =
comment=20
was thoughtless, but rather reflected a good deal of deliberation. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was responding not to your story, but =
to your=20
perception that I was endorsing the passages Julius was commenting=20
on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, in the interests of fair =
disclosure and for=20
general purposes going forward, I should let the list know: I'm =
changing=20
over email account from <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
</FONT>to=20
<A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>. I =
realize=20
that I inadvertently defended my comments under the old handle =
through my=20
new account, perhaps creating the impression that I had third-party=20
support. I'll be posting from both accounts until I cancel the AOL =
account.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, =
2001 11:17=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Eliot, Wagner and=20
Julius</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a =
message dated=20
9/2/01 3:44:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, <A=20
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TYPE=3D"CITE">Madam:</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
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size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">You have an admirable moral =
instinct, but an=20
undisciplined mind. It is <BR>Julius who is quoting these =
things, as=20
evidence of Eliot's anti-Semitism. <BR>The question is =
whether or=20
not the passages he cites, read together in the <BR>context of his =
arguments, support his thesis. If this sort of discussion=20
<BR>offends you, you either do not understand it, or are =
irrational.=20
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
color=3D#0f0f0f=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Sir: =
<BR><BR>Methinks you=20
are the irrational one. I simply told a story that came to mind=20
<BR>relating to the idea that a person of a minority group cannot =
write as a=20
<BR>general citizen of his society. As to whether Eliot was=20
anti-Semitic, I <BR>don't think his statement about Rosenberg, whether =
taken=20
to be a derogatory <BR>or complimentary, will answer this question, as =
often a=20
person without any <BR>real prejudice in his being may make a =
thoughtless=20
remark or tell a tasteless <BR>joke about a certain ethnic =
group.</FONT>=20
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